Fair Value Measurements Level 3 (Details) (USD $)
In Thousands, unless otherwise specified
12 Months Ended
Oct. 31, 2011
Bank Loans And Other Investments Of Consolidated CLO Entity [Member]
 
Fair Value Assets Measured On Recurring Basis Unobservable Input Reconciliation [Line Items]  
Adjustment for adoption of new consolidation guidance $ 5,265
Net losses on investments and note obligations 1,314
Purchases, sales and settlements, net (asset) (1,353)
Net transfers in (out) of Level 3 684
Fair value measurement with unobservable inputs reconciliation recurring basis asset value, end of period (asset) 5,910
Change in unrealized gains included in net income relating to assets and liabilities held at end of period (asset) 1,314
Senior And Subordinated Note Obligations Of Consolidated CLO [Member]
 
Fair Value Assets Measured On Recurring Basis Unobservable Input Reconciliation [Line Items]  
Adjustment for adoption of new consolidation guidance 444,087
Net losses on investments and note obligations 33,612
Fair value measurement with unobservable inputs reconciliation recurring basis liability value, end of period (liability) 477,699
Change in unrealized gains included in net income relating to assets and liabilities held at end of period (liability) $ 33,612